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    Inicio > Historias > Fotos de un Espacio Abierto

    Fotos de un Espacio Abierto

    Lisa Heft tiene estas fotos.

    El texto esencial está en estas dos páginas.

    Dicen que no se puede saber qué sale de un Espacio Abierto.

    Eso sí: un Espacio Abierto convoca a muchos interesados en torno a un "tema". Imagina que esta bitácora es el comienzo de un espacio abierto (lo es). ¿Cuál sería tu tema? ¿Qué pregunta abierta tendría que tener una reunión que dura 1, 2 o 3 días para que tú quisieras acudir?

    2005-03-22 | 41 Comentarios


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    1
    De: MacAnthony Fecha: 2005-03-22 12:35

    Se me ocurren multitud de cuestiones por las que asistiría a un coloquio o a una reunión.
    ¿De qué índole son los principales problemas que afligen al Sistema de Salud? ¿ Índole económica? ¿Son los políticos usando y manoseando conceptos que no entienden? ¿Estamos acaso ante un sistema anticuado y que necesita un rediseño radicalmente diferente? ¿o se trata de una crisis de valores que está haciendo desaparecer la equidad y cohesión social y empieza a desprenderse de las empresas colectivas? ¿Son las expectativas de los usuarios del SNS razonables?......
    Creo que todas esas razones y otras muchas más, interrelacionadas a veces de una forma poco evidente, son importantes.

    Empezamos por alguna?

    PD. He invitado a varias bitácoras a unirse e este espacio abierto. (Komplex, Economia de la salud, Una de médicos,...)



    2
    De: lgs Fecha: 2005-03-22 13:33

    MacAnthony - fantástico lo de que invites! Tienes bitácora?

    Tengo más cosas que comentar - luego.

    Sigamos!



    3
    De: lgs Fecha: 2005-03-22 14:00

    NOTA AL MARGEN - revisión de quiénes has mencionado:

    http://komplexblog.blogspot.com/
    http://www.bioef.org/
    http://www.funsalud.org.mx/casesalud/bitacora04.htm :-?
    http://ecosalud.blogspot.com/
    http://prueba.blogalia.com
    http://prueba.blogalia.com/historias/22889
    http://armengol.typepad.com/endocitosis/
    http://armengol.typepad.com/endocitosis/2004/10/la_importancia_.html
    http://www.geocities.com/fmedrano.geo/enlacesindex.htm
    http://unademedicos.blogspot.com/

    Hmm ... ¡cómo ha crecido esto! ¿O es "qué poco ha crecido esto"?



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    De: MacAnthony Fecha: 2005-03-22 15:23

    Tengo una página en pruebas: www.webcalidad.preica.net/



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    De: lgs Fecha: 2005-03-23 09:22

    el espacio está abierto para todos los que vengan ...



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    De: lgs Fecha: 2005-03-23 10:10

    La salud no como sistema, sino como espacio es algo que estaba en el post de hace un par de días que recuperé de memoria.

    No cebolla, no pirámide, sí "características" o "espacio" ...



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    De: MacAnthony Fecha: 2005-03-24 13:01

    He leido los artículos de Tom Munnecke y no me acaban de convencer. Parte de un concepto muy restrictivo de lo que son los sistemas y en realidad se está refiriendo más a sistemas cerrados que a sistemas complejos adaptativos. Prácticameente todas las propiedades de los espacios se dan en los sistemas complejos.

    Hmmmm. Esperemos que tras esta semana nuestra convocatoria empiece a surtir efecto.



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